Crown Heights is on the road to becoming the next Williamsburg and it’s chassidic residents feel the need to fight back. A recent letter to the famous mud slinging chabad website called COL, blamed landlords for being too open with who they rent to. Basically, the author of the letter is demanding rental profiling to keep goyim out. I wonder how those chabadnicks would feel if, non-Jewish landlords started profiling to keep Jews out of certain neighborhoods, though this is besides the point. Profiling is wrong and if you’re Chassidic stronghold isn’t really that strong, you shouldn’t be blaming good coffee shops, cool bars and fixed gear bicycle shops for your spiritual woes. I responded to the letter below, which, if you change a few words, sounds awfully similar to a KKK rally speech.
Demographic changes are swiftly changing the culture of our neighborhood. Local Lubavitch landowners and outside chassidic investors are making Crown Heights an attractive location for young, non Jewish tenants. In fact, it has come to attention that some investors are specifically targeting their advertising for this purpose. This is clearly seen with the new PLEX building Montgomery Street and Nostrand Avenue.
Sounds like the beginning of a White Power speech.
Young, upwardly mobile professionals may seem to be pleasant tenants who bring in reliable income, but they also introduce a very different way of life: new nightclubs and bars, sun tanning on rooftops, bike lanes and an increasing amount of immodesty on our streets. Some of these changes are hard to ignore; for instance, one of the sun tanning parties are visible for our young children to see from the window of a local school.
Young Ultra Orthodox shylock’s are going to invade our neighborhoods and bring with them garbage, untamed lawns, children running amok and Taliban like law prohibiting women from sun tanning as they please…We will not tolerate such violations in our own country club, why would we let them into our own WASP only neighborhood?
Rising rent compounds the problem and makes it even harder for our young couples and families to compete in the rental market. Friends, we pay a premium to live in this neighborhood, and we strive to create an atmosphere of holiness and kedusha for our children and teens. These yuppies bring pritzus to our neighborhood. They come out at night to our restaurants and act inappropriately while waiting on line etc.
These Jews are no good for our neighborhood, they have invaded many parts of Brooklyn and we don’t want them here. They act inappropriately and can never control their large brood. They wear strange clothing and make the property value of our neighborhood go down because they make all their houses look stupid with out of place columns and marble.
We would hope that landlords, especially the Crown Heights landlords, would put a priority on our values, but sadly the need to make money is taking precedence for them. Some young agents and landlords will specifically rent to these goyim instead of a fellow Jewish family. Sadly, some homeowners have gone as far as bringing these yuppies as tenants in their home in prime locations.
We would hope that landlords do all in their power to keep this hook nosed, horned, despicable race out of our area. How could anyone rent to a Jew over am Aryan?
Therefore, I suggest taking appropriate actions to help preserve the special the unique nature of our neighborhood.
We must form a group to come up with effective ways to reinforce the observant Jewish character of crown heights. The Satmars in Williamsburg are faced with the same problem and have made a successful committee to curb this issue. This could include meeting with investors from our own community and possibly outside, subsidizing rent for our own community members or other creative solutions.
We must create a chillul Hashem in order to keep the holier than thou full of shit character of our neighborhoods.
Friends, I too am a landlord. Yes, it may seem easier to bring these young people as tenants. However, think about how they will change the face of our unique community In spiritual and physical sense. They are buying condos from our OWN landlords in the heart of the community. If we don’t give precedence to our own couples and help our communities expand, Then who will?
Think about how dirty those Jews are, how could you look yourself in the mirror after you allowed them to rent a property and ruin the neighborhood. As a community we have survived through thick and thin. We have survived through the riots to help preserve our community. Why are we bringing in more outsiders with open hands? Please help us in defending the special, unique place that is Crown Heights for our children and their future.
Thank you,
A Crown Heights Resident
Please help us maintain our white Aryan only colony and make sure we are not polluted with Jews, blacks, slavs and modern orthodox. White Christian Power baby!
One assumes they don’t realize how completely illegal this is? This is exactly how one gets sued…
Not only is it legal it sounds like Nazi Germany
These are the same people who would be fatally butthurt and scream and cry and stamp their precious little feet if the same thing were done to them. But I guess laws don’t apply if you’re Special.
TS,
You sound as if you’re not aware that this happens already, and everywhere in the US you can imagine.
And when it’s uncovered it results in lawsuits and often criminal charges.
I know, I know… Still doesn’t make it ok. Plus, we yidden should strive to be above reproach in matters of ethics, yes?
I live in crown heights, and when I read the collive ‘article’, I got so upset at col for putting such trash up…The reason why landlords are purposely renting to non Jews is b/c they PAY THEIR RENT!
Someone’s asking for a lawsuit!
Someone’s begging for a Federal prosecution – the Feds are harder to buy off and intimidate than NYC prosecutors. Violating the Fair Housing Act. Religious discrimination. And of course the Big Red White and Blue Crash Landing: Interstate Conspiracy to Deny People Their Civil Rights.
A successful RICO action could bankrupt the criminals and deal a fatal blow to Chabad in New York.
a fatal blow to chabad in ny? not a bit of hyperbole, surely?
Not individuals, but the organization
right! i would guess you don’t know much about the chabad “organization” of ny, but don’t let that stop you from commenting!
Be aware that a similar problem emerged in the Ramat Aviv community in Israel, only in an opposite way: the non-religious fear that the meshichist community will influence their children, and they are very upset that they move into their neighborhood. I wonder how you guys would look at that conflict, and who would be intolerant, in that case.
Listen Heshy, I understand that generally you are pro Chabad, however the concept of a REBBE, seems to be foreign to you, which is fine, but please don’t knock people, whom are try to follow their REBBE, the REBBE clearly and in public called for building up the Crown Heights Jewish community by all means, obviously things should be kept legal, however I think the main point of the op-ed, was that people should try to get Jewish tenets first which is 100% legal, SORRY but I felt like I was reading F.M when I saw your headline, I hope you find other things to write about.
RealJoe,
As a Chabadnik, I can’t believe you back this drivel. The Rebbe is turning in his grave over such atrocious behavior. Mix it with our seeming penchant for lying on applications for welfare and foodstamps, and you’ve got a community that would be LUCKY to have hipsters move into the neighborhood.
Nonononono. Jesus Schneerson never died. He ascended into Heaven where he sits on the Throne and lets God eat the scraps from his table.
Do you really think that your above statement has any relevance to the discussion at hand? You have issues with the Lubavitcher Rebbe publish them on FM.He’l be more then glad to accommodate such gutter language.
It’s a bit snotty, but it’s true.
According to a huge portion of Chabad Schneerson is the Messiah and never died. And His pronoucements must be obeyed no matter what. That makes Him more important than a mere god.
Look I have my issues with Chabad,more so with some of his Chassidim rather then the the Rebbe himself but I simply don’t see the need for such reprehensibly descriptive language nor does it have any relevancy to the current discussion.
In addition Heshy has shown sympathy towards Chabad and his bride to be is a Chabadnic. At of respect to our host I would say that such rhetoric,no matter how justified, is totally uncalled for.
I will skip your line about “the REBBE turning in his grave” and focus on your ending, now why in the world do you think hipsters moving in, will change the fact that certain people allegedly lie on their applications, your mixing 2 totally diff subjects.
CM – don’t get me started on lying on applications. When i used to live there I had people looking at me odd that I actually pay for my own health insurance, and pay taxes. I tried to explain to them that it’s my taxes that is paying for their fraud. To no avail…
We live in the United States, not Jewland, not the Aryan Nations. It doesn’t matter what your cut-rate bargain-basement Jeebus said. The Law is the Law. And the Law says you can’t conspire to discriminate on the basis of religion. If you do screw people this way the government will screw you. And I guarantee theirs is bigger and thicker than yours.
The Rebbe did call for a Jewish constituency in CH but not to the exclusion of others.On the contrary Chabad has always been an inclusive society. I am not a Chabadnic but as far as I know the Rebbe always stressed to his Chassidim the idea that contrary to other Chassidic groups such as Skver or Satmar it is the duty of his followers to integrate with society rather then create Jewish enclaves or ghettos.
My life became so much better several months ago, when I stopped reading COLlive and competing Chabad ‘news’ sites. They live in their own little world…
If they continue to pull stunts like this they will discover just how much they live in the real world.
Do you really think that your above statement has any relevance to the discussion at hand? You have issues with the Lubavitcher Rebbe publish them on FM.He’l be more then glad to accommodate such gutter language.You seem to be an intelligent individual but boy do you have a heavy chip on your shoulder and you’ve just shown it.
Sorry for the duplicate post.
Hershy, go fuck yourself. We are having these problems because we’ve send thousands of people around the world so you always have a place to go to compile your blog, complain about Judaism and always have fresh images of Chabad woman to spill speed over.
Just because we want to live in a mostly from community (particularly after all the violence we had to suffer through to live here) is nothing like the KKK what so ever…so do everyone a favor and disappear, you self loathing Jew.
Law #234 told landlords that they could no longer rent to Jews.
That is straight from the laws enacted by the Nazi Party to keep Jews from living normal lives. I have never used the term Nazi to describe anything unless it is actually so. I do not use the term lightly, but when fellow Jews act like Nazis, they should be told so.
This same sort of thing happened to Jews in many neighborhoods when my father was growing up, to keep the neighborhoods clean of those evil Jews. Sure the wording was about keeping the neighborhoods intact, but it was plain and simple antisemitism as this is pure and simply anti- non-Jewish. I know frum Jews hate the goyim, everyone knows that, but going for a Nazi-Jim Crow reenactment is simply wrong and to say that other people do it too is also wrong.
Interesting post. Personally, I’m all for selecting who you rent to. Here in |Quebec, once you rent to someone, it’s practically impossible to get rid of them unless the skip their payments. You’re forced to renew their lease every year, and put up with a ton of crap.
Funny enough, that is the exact reason I probably would NOT rent to frum Jews, despite being frum and living in a big frum community.
The sad truth is that my mom has many non Jewish tenants in her buildings, they all pay on the first of the month, are quiet, clean and respect her property.
Frum Jewish tenants are often the complete opposite. They think they own the property, often pay months late, and god forbid you try to say anything, or eveng worse, threaten to have them evicted, you get the classic guilt trip about the goy landlords that kicked Jews off their properties and threw them into dungeons. On 2 separate occasions, my dad actually had to lock out rabbis in -20 degree weather during the winter in order to get his rent money.
The Rebbe did preach about trying to build the neighborhood into a Jewish neighborhood by selling to and renting to other Jews, I remember those directives (or at lweast their interpretations) quite clearly. Of course, he also preached about middos and behaving better than the non Jews, something that seems to have been forgotten by some of his so called chassidim.
The article may be written terribly and I myself cringed at some of what he wrote, what many of you dont get is that by renting to others from outside of our community we are creating a situation were we are locking ourselves out of the community. Most members of the community can not afford to pay what “outsiders” can, to rent or buy. By renting to those who can afford to pay more, you are raising the rate prohibiting most of the community from continuing to set down roots here. And as a Lubavitcher, I do care about what the Rebbe cared about, and spoke about. and yes keeping Crown Heights as the base of Chabad Lubavitch is something that was important to the Rebbe. I think for most members of the community its not so much about keeping others out as much as enabling ourselves to remain.
Complete and utter B.S.
Remember that you live in the USA, not mea shaerim. You are in the land of the goyim, be grateful that they let you live your life and observe your religion. A few years ago, that would have been more than enough.
Now, not only do you have the nerve to decide that it’s “your” neighborhood, you now want to prevent anyone a bit different than yourself from living there. The attitude in this article is exactly what’s going to one day get you and your like minded people kicked out.
which part of what he wrote is bs? renting out limited housing options to people who can pay higher sums, which drives up the prices for a community already under strain? seems pretty basic to me. I doubt that most landlords think beyond their pockets, but if someone is more communally minded, this is something they would consider.
Anon,
It sems that both comments disappeared, I guess they may show up at some point in time.
Briefly, The article has nothing to do with overcharging for rents and everything to do with trying to prevent people that are different fom living in “his” neighborhood.
Seems like the other rather live with the crack houses and criminals associated with lower rents than sunbathing yuppies.
And when Restricted apartments, houses with “Don’t Sell to the Hebrews” covenants and University quotas come back don’t you dare cry and moan about it. You want religious discrimination you get to ride the pipe, every inch of it.
The fact of the matter is that after all is said and done I find this entire discussion to be ironic.When the block busters came to CH in the 60’s chanting their mantra “the blacks are coming,the blacks are coming” everyone panicked and ran.The secular Jews,the MO,The Yeshivish crowd,the Hareidim,Young Israel,the Chassidim. Every sector and flavor of Judaism and what remained of the Gentile population packed their bags and made their way to Boro Park,Flatbush,Queens,the Five Towns ,the suburbs of LI,Jersey,you name it.One group however chose to remain and remain there to this day the bigoted Lubavitchers.Ah,you’ll say but they did so at the behest of the Rebbe.True, but they chose to remain even after his passing and I’m not just talking about the crazies who claim that he’s still alive. They’ve survived the crime waves,the famously notorious Pogrom and all other kinds of indignities to numerous to mention.
And here we are.Most of us living in the comfort and safety of our lilly white neighborhoods ,preaching to these bigots about the error of their ways.How ironic.
a great depiction of that era in meir kahane’s biography. very eye opening.
agreed, I liked that.
The Lubavitchers would love the neighborhood to remain ghetto because chabadnicks do not share any values with their neighbors, but yuppies blur the line and there are plenty of chabadnicks who would hang out in their clubs, cafe’s and stores and this is the major threat.
thats really so true.
The article has nothing to do with rent control. It’s clearly written with the intent of preventing “undesirables” such as yuppies or secular Jews from living in CH.
Charging high rents is a great way of weeding out undesirable tenants, in a legal and moral fashion. It’s a landlord’s right, after all it’s his building and his bottom line. Will help him pay those yeshiva tuition bills too.
It’s called capitalism. If the author prefers a socialist rent controlled system, I’m sure he can find some good deals in Belarus.
Charging discriminatory rents to people based on their race, color or creed is not “capitalism”. It’s not a “legal and moral fashion”. It’s prima facie illegal and recognized as such by massive amounts of statute and case law.
I think using Nazi Germany to make a point is overstating the case a bit, seeing as how nobody is being murdered or even deported to Poland (at worst, to Williamsburg!)
As a broader matter, I don’t think nonviolent (even if illegal, obnoxious etc) acts of bigotry should be compared to Nazism- doing so kind of cheapens the Shoah.
Woodrow,
Though they aren’t deporting anyone, and I’m not trying to compare the two groups, they are still mimicking what the nazis did by setting up these rules, much for the same reasons too.
I doubt the CH rabbonim will be stupid enough to agree with the author of this letter, but you never know. Personally, I think they would end up in deep doodoo if ever they made that sort of statement.
A big problem we Jews have is forgetting the past, and our place in a non Jewish society during Galut. Instead of being grateful for the kindness shown to us, we start thinking that we own the place, and that they owe us anything and everything. Until they get fed up and decide to slaughter us, or at best kick us out.
Of course most people on this list do not oppose ALL the Nuremberg Laws. For example:
Section 1
Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
I’ve heard more than once heard comments to the effect that “I won’t attend the wedding of Jew to a non-Jew because I imagine Hitler sitting in the front row smiling.” Actually, Hitler would be gnashing his teeth. So telling someone that their beliefs or actions are “just like the Nazis” is not necessarily a winning argument if that person actually agrees with the Nazis on significant key points.
They usually say things like that because they’re not thinking of the laws themselves and their practical applications (which have similar results), but instead are thinking of how Hitler wanted the destruction of the Jewish people, which is brought about through mass murder as well as assimilation and intermarriage. G-d wants us to remain separate, and in that regard we do agree with some amount of segregation and strongly oppose intermarriage. What differentiates us are the reasons behind such a stance.
There are plenty of Charedi types who openly wish the government would force us back into ghettos, and the original proposer probably agrees with that idea. The essential problem here is the proposal is trying to apply a ghetto mentality to modern American life. Who cares what the civil laws are or what it implies, just do what you have to to maintain our way of life up to and including threats, violence, and going against the government. That worked a hundred years ago, but they can’t do that so easily now (except in Israel where they seem to get away with it non-stop). In that regard, it is certainly Naziesque.
It’s absolutely overstating the case. The Williamsburg blackhats aren’t enacting Nuremberg laws or killing hipsters. They are being jerks and breaking the fair housing laws.
I love that one of the issues is “bike lanes” AHHH! NOT THE DREADED BIKE LANES!!!
ahahaha
Becky,
I may be wrong on this but were you ever a student at MDS on the upper West Side?
A. Nuran your obviously a poor soul. sounds like you have daddy issues. To be ignoirant is ok, but to advertise it is stupid!
Honey get a life! your way over your sorry simple head
When the facts are against you (which they are) argue the law.
When the law is against you (which it is) argue the facts.
When the facts and the law are against you (you’re 3 for 3 now) call the other guy a putz.
Thank you for playing. Please draw your “Anti-Semeeets!” card on the way out. And go talk to the Aryan Nations. You’re just one prejudice away from them
At first I wasn’t sure what to say about this, and sort of agreed it was wrong.
But I changed my mind.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to live with people who are similar to yourself. It is normal, and it is healthy. And I don’t care what popular culture thinks about it.
Modern society has embraced diversity, because they think it will prevent us from becoming bigoted. And maybe they are correct. But the degree to which it is now unacceptable to have any preference for your own people, is completely bizarre.
I like my people. I wanna live with them. I hang out with them in school. I would hire them. And that’s just how it is.
Dan,
I got a good place for you, it’s called Mea Shearim. If all New Yorkers had your frame of mind, there wouldn’t be any Jews in NY.
Nah, I’m not like the people in mea shearim. I wouldn’t want them all moving into my neighborhood. Maybe like one or two just to keep things interesting.
This sort of thing is not limited to the Jewish community. In St. Louis it is well known that residents of the Italian part of the city (“the hill”) won’t sell homes to anyone non-Italian. This wasp wouldn’t stand a chance of moving in. However, culture is preserved, the area is unbelievably clean, and crime is non-existant compared to all the areas surrounding it. Everyone enjoys going to the hill for a great Italian meal. I see no problem with this. If you choose to sell your home only to a fellow Italian, why not? It seems legal to me. Why can’t chassidic (sp.?) do the same?
So this was a letter someone wrote? Big deal. Kooks write all kinds of letters, supporting pedophilia, racism, and everything else.
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Idiot, rediculous stupid, anti_Jewish article. Hheshy Fried, is a wicked stupid Jew, if a Jew at all.. don’t worry heshy, Hashem will deal with scum like you when you die. Sooner than later we hope…