Dear Heshy,
I write to you from Israel – this is my view as a religious person who is deeply disturbed by the growing anti-Haredi movements among those Israeli’s who do not understand what we are for.
It wasn’t enough that the anti-religious movement that is being fueled by a rabidly anti-religious left wing secular media wanted to dictate what a sincerely devout religious sect wanted to do with their own buses and schools, but now those same anti-segregation scum are targeting the places we pray.
As I walked to shul this past shabbos, I was assaulted by feminists and other secular folks calling me Jim Crow. They couldn’t have been mad about the buses, since the kosher-mehadrin buses don’t run on shabbos. Instead they were marching outside of my shul, yelling at me to integrate the ezras nashim and the men’s section together. Carrying signs that said things like “Mechitzas are not separate but equal” and “women deserve just as much leg room as men” these scumbags really bothered me.
I personally think that the anti-religious media has really blown everything out of proportion. Yes, most of the violence is uncalled for, but I’m sure some of it is called for. If a woman boards a mehadrin bus and clearly violates halacha by leaving the ezras nashim or showing her elbows – she deserves a beating, this is stated clearly in the gemara. Also, unmarried women should have to follow the curfew – it’s their own fault if they are out at the wrong time.
Yet the secular media, that doesn’t understand halacha continues to spread their sinas chinam throughout the world. We will not stand idly by as the left wing media makes a mockery of the things we hold sacred. I’m not going to be another apologetic, separation is the only way to go and some people may have to get spit on in the process – it’s just a problem when the media blows it out of proportion.
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Okay, I started agreeing with the guy on the first 2 lines. Yes, they should stay out of our traditions that don’t effect them. But COME ON.
Beating ladies who show their elbow? That is NOT appropriate. The ‘Tznius Vaad’ is a terrorist organization and they have NO right to get involved in people’s personal lives, especially with violence.
I hear that if you live in a community where there are rules, and a resident starts blatantly disregarding them, you can have someone who is actually in charge kindly ask them to follow the rules or leave (not much different than rules in many exclusive rich communities here in the US), but violence, abuse etc. is not ever allowed, and prying into someones personal life even more so.
For the record, I am what you would call right wing chareidi, black hat, etc. here in America. But this is what we all believe.
Perfectly written. Lulls you into agreeing by starting with a good point, then gently knocks you upside the head.
my thoughts exactly…
While I agree there is another side to the story, and that secular authorities should not try to change the way Haredim practice WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES, it is a major problem that Haredim try to control the religiousity of others, and also that this fight is not Haredi vs. Secualr, but Haredi vs. Modern Orthodox, which last time I checked is a perfectly legitimate way to practice Judaism. And spitting on girls is wrong. And a fact of life is that abusing women and children is wrong. Yes, the Haredim are people too and deserve fair treatment amongst the secular society, but they are in the clear wrong on this one.
And assaulting people with deadly weapons is wrong, period.
The Jewhadis have been at it constantly for at least thirty years with rocks and more recently acid. They aren’t trying to murder their own. They’re doing it to force anyone who doesn’t do exactly what they want to do so on fear of mutilation or death.
These same kosher coprolites scream and wail and stamp their precious little feet when they’re the victims of terrorist attacks. Let ’em have the justice they want. It’s good to kill Arabs who might, someday grow up to be terrorists just like in The King’s Torah. The Tallitban can be next up against the wall, their kinderlings, too. And bulldoze their houses.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.
Yes, I get that the letter is satire
Great satire piece.
I AGREE. I read it as satire because not even the most ultra religious haredi will put beating a woman whose elbows show in WRITING, whether he believes it or not.
Well Bleep you too, you bleeping bleep…
I just wanted to say that this article was clearly not written by someone who is religious. This person is trying to provoke everyone else much like the media does. No one hold like this. I have spoken with more than enough Haredi rabbis about this topic and all have said there is no halacha regarding segregation on buses and that the few people who actually do these things are holding in a way that no one else does. THIS ARTICLE ABOVE 100% DOES NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF 99% OF HAREDIM.
It doesn’t reflect Haredi norms?
Garbage.
If the “tiny minorty of troublemakers” got a tenth the grief of an Orthodox girl wearing a red tank top it would stop immediately. Look at the lukewarm, deflect-all-blame horseapples the Communities offer up. They deplore a certain amount of violence, but never the aim of ramming theocracy down the throats of the unwilling. They spend most of their time blaming the evil chilonim and media for publicizing the crimes. And they can be guaranteed to auto-Godwinate within fifteen seconds.
Perfect satire.
where does it say any of that in the gemara. this article was written by a beit she mesh nut head not anyone who is haredi and understands halacha
No. It was written by Heshie as satire. And you got played, suckah.
Though I have to admit the whole Bet Shemesh thing sure has managed to make a lot of people feel very santimoniously superior to “those crazy Haredis”. Makes me want to try to find some way to justify them, just to be contrarian.
Excellent article. I actually thought it was for real for the first few lines, lol.
And in honor of this post, I have made a real username, and lost my plausible deniability.
It’s satire.
Heshy or his female associate should find a way to interview a Charedi Woman and get their take. We never hear from them. They would have to remain anonymous so there are no repercussions.
You can check any of the chareidi online forums. They’re all anonymous.
Because Charedi women, whether or not they are for this – don’t have many opinions outside of the community view. They also may get spit on if they voice their opinion and that post shawarma, stale rugalech spit is the worst
Heshy: You’ve known some chareidi women in your day, haven’t you? Is that the impression you got from them?
You went to a yeshiva with chareidi roshei yeshiva. Did you see the rebbeim disrespecting their wives? Did the wives seem subjugated? Did you get the impression that the wives really wanted out but were stuck in their community?
How about some of the chareidi rabbis in the bay area? I know a couple of them; you probably do as well. Do their wives seem like the stereotype you paint?
If you haraedim are so right wing then why don’t you all just go get a job and stop sponging off the state. And please stop hypocritically telling people that have to live in the real world how to live their lives. Get over yourselves dudes.
Hmmm… Apparently Juvenalian satire is not one of the topics covered by a proper Jewish education. I refer some of you to Jonathan Swift’s, ‘A Modest Proposal.’
This is hella funny, btw…