To the author of this blog,
I have never read your blog before, but I wonder if you realize the grave sin of loshon horah and motzi shem rah that you have violated by slandering a talmud chacham with such a dignified lineage as my dear friend Avrohom Meir. I can’t believe that you and all the other negative Jewish bloggers have been duped by a rag such as the NY Post. Did you think for a minute that it could be a lie, that trusting the side of the woman, while the liberal and nice thing to do, is not necessarily the right way to go about this.
Do we as Torah Jews trust one side? Do we not rely on kosher aidim? Yet, in this case, you and your cronies have jumped on the back of an innocent man and have trampled his soul. The busha you and others have caused his family and friends is irrevocable. You cannot take it back, you cannot undo the pain you have caused the Weiss family who’s name will forever be marred because of one woman’s desire for fame, money, and revenge.
I wonder if one person spoke wrongly about you and was able to get a bunch of folks to write evil things about you that weren’t true. How would you feel?
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy crap, I just… I just can’t!!
“my friend Avrohom Meir”
Well that doesn’t show any bias at all.
“Signed, AvrahAm Meir” 🙂
If instead of saying that the women is wrong and how terrible lashon harah is they would release a statement or make their story known most people would consider changing their mind. I know the NY Post would L-O-V-E to publish a response letter from him or his family but at this point they should probably hire a P.R firm that deals in crisis management.
Level Up: Cronie
Rather than a PR firm, my professional opinion is that he needs to hire a licensed therapist who deals with psychopathic control freaks.
Should we start a fund?
hahahahaha
I might give this a thought if there was actually an explanation attached.
Until then, the scumbag hasn’t given a get, and that’s that.
how about the agmus nefesh this supposed talmid chacham is causing a innocent agunah over 3and a half years. whenever bull$#!t is called for, it gets justified in the name of god. this man who does not give a get is a choyte( sinner) and nothing he does involves yiras shomayim. i used to believe a lot more tha i do but i have seen too many sinners against man and god wrapping themselves in the torah. derech eretz kadma letorah!! first free her and then preach about holiness
Well played, the more publicity this story gets, the better.
If this campaign against Avrohom has no other benefit, at least it is leveling the playing field. Just as Gital can’t remarry without a get. her husband will never be able to get remarried, as anyone who has done a minimal background check before going out with him would run in the opposite direction (Unless they’re looking for a control freak).
As to the “friend” who sent the response that you published – there is only one question that matters, is Avrohom Meir prepared to give his wife a get without any preconditions? If the answer is “no”, can’t imagine that there is anything that justifies his behaviour and he deserves whatever he brings upon himself.
(And I don’t care who was right and wrong during the wedding – maybe he was abusive, maybe not,, maybe she was a lousy wife and he made the right choice to leave her, but if so NOW IS THE TIME TO LEAVE HER and let both of you get on with your lives)
” Just as Gital can’t remarry without a get. her husband will never be able to get remarried, as anyone who has done a minimal background check before going out with him would run in the opposite direction (Unless they’re looking for a control freak).”
That’s one thing I don’t get about Get withholders. Doesn’t he realize that he’s digging his own grave, so to speak?
Plenty of frum girls (or their parents) who would overlook a persons actions in order to get “connected”…sadly..
We do need to remember that in many agunah cases the women are holding back custody (which is not where the kid lives,but the right to have a say in decisions such as where the kid goes to school) or visitation rights to the ex husbands, but we all jump to the aid of a helpless woman.
Does anyone know what the full story is here?
Heshy enjoys blasting people he knows little about. He also believes everything he reads as long as it conforms to his desire to denigrate somebody. He hides behind a false cloak of self proclaimed righteousness in order to rationalize his evil inclination to do harm to others. He uses the mob mentality to lynch the innocent and make innocent the guilty. The whole thing is quite perverse and I wouldn’t want to be around when he gets his comeuppance.
What do you mean “holding back custody”? Who gets custody in a divorce is not up to the wife. Including legal custody, which is what governs school decisions. Visitation is also not up the the ex-wife. If you have a custody order and the other parent violates it you take them to court!
To add, isn’t custody decided in secular courts, not Bet Din?
Doesn’t even make sense. Women can’t “hold back custody”. If they deny visitation rights, there are Courts. But none of this even begins to happen until there is a divorce. What happens here is that the man can deny the woman the right to ever remarry or have legitimate children. He has all the power with no consequences. She has nothing.
Oh, she can ask a bunch of men to side with her. Maybe they can do something if they’re willing to commit a felony on her behalf (assault and battery). But even then all the power is with the husband.
I know the full story.
AM sees his child ever tuesday and thursday and gets him every second weekend until sundown Sunday.
I’m really not sure why so many men, here and otherwise, seem to be under the impression that mothers can unilaterally change custody without filing in court.
Oh, I know that they have to file in court, but in civil court, the “guidelines” are usually in a woman’s favor, and it takes a lot to get them changed.. Basically CPS has to have a reason to get involved before most judges give a father much more than the “official guidelines” say.. That being said, withholding a get just makes you an a$$hole, and certainly won’t help you get more visitation in civil court.
Why should she give him more time than the court orders? The guidelines are gender neutral, btw.
Going by what the court has ordered for parenting time is not “refusing visitation”, but “following a court order”.
You are confused. I never said she had to do anything. I think an extortionist like her ex should have no access to any children. In general., however, child custody guidelines are written like its 1952. Two different things.
What guidelines, specifically, do you think are ” written like it’s 1952″?
I was simply responding to your inference that the father should be given time outside of what was ordered.
My comment was about the policies in general, not how they are applied for this shmuck. In the 50s many thought that a father was vastly less important in the life of a child, so the “Suzy homemaker” mom should ALWAYS get the kids in a divorce. The mysoginist attitude isn’t contested because femenist movements only want things equal when they do not already benefit women. Like I said, multiple times, this guy deserves no time, not because he’s a man, but because he’s an a$$hole who has no shame, and would steal food from his own kids just to “get back” at his ex.
That is not how child custody works. In general, why should a mother who is a custodial parent grant more time than ordered by the court?
Policies are gender-neutral.
Even in states that officially have a gender-neutral policy (this is not all states, by the way), a judge decides when the parents can’t agree, and in general, defaults to the “custodial parent” being the mother. Unless a father has connections, or the mother has a criminal history (and the latter doesn’t always matter), a father will get the “non-custodial” status, and end up with every other weekend and some vacation time. Maybe on paper a judge is supposed to see genders as equal, but in practice, we are not there yet. Unless the mother ditches the kid, or the kid is old enough and deemed mature enough to be listened to in court, having a penis, in general, gives you the right to be happy with visitation. And for the zillionth time I’m not talking about this specific case. THIS guy should be in jail for extortion, and a beit din should have the authority to issue a get in his name.
It is simply untrue that custody defaults to the mother. Primary physical custody often goes to the primary giver of care. There’s nothing stopping a father from being that person.
My comment was about the policies in general, not how they are applied for this shmuck. In the 50s many thought that a father was vastly less important in the life of a child, so the “Suzy homemaker” mom should ALWAYS get the kids in a divorce. The mysoginist attitude isn’t contested because femenist movements only want things equal when they do not already benefit women. Like I said, multiple times, this guy deserves no time, not because he’s a man, but because he’s an a$$hole who has no shame, and would steal food from his own kids just to “get back” at his ex.
That is not how child custody works. In general, why should a mother who is a custodial parent grant more time than ordered by the court?
Policies are gender-neutral.
Even in states that officially have a gender-neutral policy (this is not all states, by the way), a judge decides when the parents can’t agree, and in general, defaults to the “custodial parent” being the mother. Unless a father has connections, or the mother has a criminal history (and the latter doesn’t always matter), a father will get the “non-custodial” status, and end up with every other weekend and some vacation time. Maybe on paper a judge is supposed to see genders as equal, but in practice, we are not there yet. Unless the mother ditches the kid, or the kid is old enough and deemed mature enough to be listened to in court, having a penis, in general, gives you the right to be happy with visitation. And for the zillionth time I’m not talking about this specific case. THIS guy should be in jail for extortion, and a beit din should have the authority to issue a get in his name.
It is simply untrue that custody defaults to the mother. Primary physical custody often goes to the primary giver of care. There’s nothing stopping a father from being that person.
there is only one side to get refusal ever, you always give a get. even if there are custody issues, you save that for the civil divorce.
or you fix this all and allow women to give a get.
That’s the yeshiva frog way.
devil – I don’t have any more information than anyone else that reads the interwebs, but there doesn’t seem to be much dispute from what the Jewish Week article stated in that he wants to share custody 50-50 instead of Tue/Thur afternoon and every other weekend per the civil court, plus a bunch of money to cover his legal expenses (the article stated that he wanted $350,000.)
Roll eyes to this response.
devil – I don’t have any more information than anyone else that reads the interwebs, but there doesn’t seem to be much dispute from what the Jewish Week article stated in that he wants to share custody 50-50 instead of Tue/Thur afternoon and every other weekend per the civil court, plus a bunch of money to cover his legal expenses (the article stated that he wanted $350,000.) For more info you can see some documents presented by the Weiss family at daattorah.blogspot.com
lmao what a caveman
The only proper course is to GIVE A GET immediately. Watch how the “loshon horoh” disappears after that. A family of such stature should be especially careful to encourage family members to follow the HALACHA in this issue of giving a GET. They have an added responsibility to be the proper example to others.
What does lineage mean? This putz is “better” because of his “lineage”? Maybe one can argue that he’s a disgrace to his lineage… When did we start breeding humans like dogs, anyway?
perhaps she should also be demanding money for her legal fees. i understand using leverage but where one side has no recourse under the law at all then the law is wrong. divine god would never have said that one of his creations has the power to take away all enjoyment of life from another for money. every year i have a harder and harder time believing that god would be pleased by some of the scummy things that people do. his yichus ended with him now his kids yichus are “the dirtbag that thought he was better than everyone else.”
He asked for legal costs in civil court, but was not awarded them. To withhold a get because you aren’t satisfied with the legal divorce you have is bullshit.
This is why halachic prenups exist.
halachic prenups are only used in the MO community, rarely in the hareidi (hassidic & ashkenazic yeshivish) world.
I wonder if Rabbi Osher Weiss is any relation to Avrohom Weiss? The latter is a big proponent of the halachic prenup…
Must be, ’cause Weiss is such a rare last name.
I figured. All those Jews look alike anyway…
Oh, do you thnk he’s also related to Mrs. Weiss, of soup fame?
As a card-carrying chareidi, I am well aware – and so should you – that Loshon Hora and Motzi Shem Rah only applies to the person being spoken about, but for the person saying it, it’s a mitzvah. So Lemoshol, in this situation, although it’s indeed Loshon Hora from your perspective, from my perspective it’s a mitzvah. Should the tables be turned, and you were speaking bad about the menuveles in question, then it would be mitzvah for you… don’t you agree?
How can saying loshon horoh be a mitzvah???>
The prod father only gets 100k this shabbat we need to make a appeal let’s raise 100k and send him the prod father
> I wonder if you realize the grave sin of loshon horah and motzi shem rah that you have violated by slandering a talmud chacham with such a dignified lineage as my dear friend Avrohom Meir.
So it’s only as grave sin if the person being slandered is a Talmud chacham with dignified lineage?!
> you and your cronies have jumped on the back of an innocent man and have trampled his soul.
He’s being jumped on for not giving his wife a get. Whatever the circumstances might be, he is not innocent of what he is being accused of.
> The busha you and others have caused his family and friends is irrevocable… the Weiss family who’s name will forever be marred
That’s kind of the point.
> because of one woman’s desire for fame, money, and revenge.
What does her desires have to do with him not giving her a get?
“… one woman’s desire for fame, money, and revenge.”
Isn’t it his “dear friend” Avrohom Meir who wants $350k, amongst other things, as the “price” of a get? Semantic niceties aside, “dear” Avrohom Meir has assigned a price to the spiritual, and to the freedom of someone to whom he made serious vows.
If “dear” Avrohom Meir gave the get, there would be no cause célèbre, as the agunah would be freed, and there would be no “fame, money, and revenge”, she would happily never bother with him again, aside from civil discourse over their child.
I assume the $350,000 is what the civil court declined to award him upon their civil divorce settlement.
don’t usually comment, but I thought this story might be relevant:
http://blog.eretzyisrael.org/post/63426336386/
It would be better to send the whole family to terapy (it’s shame weberman is not available anymore ) to understant how they produce such a freak controller husband Of course the family knew he was problematic or wouldn’t pressure for the shiduch .
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/11/weiss-dodelson-divorce-r-avraham-meir.html?spref=fb
The plot thickens…
So, She decides, for some reason, that she should not have to go to arbitration for a get, because, Oh, I dunno, THEY ARE ALREADY DIVORCED? This is just like the Tea Party blocking the federal budget to stop a law that is outside of the budget, and already passed. If you come to my house and steal my car, drive it cross country, and then call me up to say we need to make a deal as to how much gas money I give you to bring it back, it’s not “unfair” of me to tell you to figure it out, or I send the cops to arrest you.
wow it sounds like you all know the details of the case.i mean im just guessing judging by your comments
It’s ok, I’ll help you get in on it.. pretend he’s not a “fellow frummie”. Now, do what you do better than all of us, and judge away..