Once in a while when I ask for ideas on facebook I actually get a good idea, the other night this girl who’s in the process of converting to Judaism told her that she is hot for frummies, she just loves a man with a thick beard, long curly peyos and a big black yarmulke and she can;t quite control herself – luckily she lives in the middle of nowhere, or else they would have to throw her in a cold shower every time she came to shul (insert sick joke here) however, she’s not alone and I wish to discuss the sexual attraction of some folks to orthodox Jewish men and women.
Hi Heshy, I thought maybe you would be a good person to tell this too. I don’t really know what to do…. I am so hot for frummies! I can hardly believe it myself but one week I’m learning about a friend from works conversion to Judaism and the next I’m googling pictures of Breslov Hasids! I can’t help myself. I think tzitzis strings are so hot! And I love a man with a yarmulke, a frik one is even better! And don’t even get me started on peyes. (Please forgive my misspellings!) This totally came out of no where but now I can’t even imagine marrying a non-jewish man. Certainly this is not a good enough reason to convert?!
Sincerely,
Hot for FrummiesOkay okay not really but I thought it might make an amusing post? I am learning about Judaism and contemplating conversion but for many other reasons. I will admit that I find the look of a Frum Jewish guy quite attractive, tzitzis and all and surely I can’t be the only one, right? Maybe there is a support group out there?
Thanks for reading! Your site cracks me up and I love the insiders look it gives me and you know what? I still want to become Jewish, even knowing some of the dirty laundry, ya know? Would that mean I could call you a kiddush Hashem? I have no idea if I used that term right! Hope so!
I know a lot of guys who like girls who wear skirts all the time, not merely for social or halachic reasons, but because they say it’s hot and I admit it, girls in long street sweeping denim skirts are kind of hot, I have no idea what makes me and dozens of folks I know – hot for tznius girls, but we kind of relish in their sexy tznius outfits and I’m not even talking hot chanies here. I’m talking regular old Flatbush girls walking with those black slinky skirts or long denim. I have definitely partaken in conversations about looking up frummy girls skirts, the ease of access they provide (I have never really thought such things, but I have heard that denim skirts are definitely not easy to work with in the back of cars and other tight spots, although those black slinky skirts tend to be easier, they just aren’t tznius enough for my taste)
This girl I used to be friends with was into big frummies, you know, those guys who have man boobs, wear black velvet yarmulkes and can eat cholent that’s been left in a crock pot for three days after shabbos, different strokes for different folks, but I have heard many a girl say that tzitzis and black hats turned them on, but if this is the case, could we appeal to the beis din of America to ban black hats because it may lead girls to do evil things in the shower which are not specifically banned because the ladies have no seed to waste.
I should relate that many of the folks I know who are attracted to the frum look, aren’t necessarily frum or even Jewish. Just like I’m attracted to the Catholic school girl look even though I’m not Catholic and since I’ve never dated an Catholic school girl I have no idea if I even like them beyond their knee socks and plaid mini-skirts, this entire post is superficial anyway – I could never imagine getting turned on by a black hat, but if that’s how some people feel, so be it.
I wonder if any non-black hat Jews have frummy fetishes in which they dominate their partners while they are bent over a shtender in the middle of seder, do non-frummies role play as frummies? It would be super interesting to see a frummy drag show…
I really have to agree with you about the girls in skirts. i wonder if your thing for catholic schoolgirls is related to your deepseated desire for a girl that dresses tzinus, with a skirt…
i’m not into the black hats, but I do dig men with beards. My husband shaved his beard off once and I made him grow it back immediately 🙂
It is truly a good thing that the only frum man within 150 miles of me is the Chabad Rabbi 🙂
It’s all what you’ve been conditioned to. Millions who went to Catholic schools are fixated on women who look like penguins.
that took me a minute, but then, lol!
Very very yes.
the black hat, black & white suit and tzitzis hanging out make me drool. sucks that there are no frum jews where I come from!
You can always fly me out for some frummy NSA – I can dress up frummy for ya.
Gotta say, I love the look of the sruggie half falling off. MO was my upbringing and the aloof, cool guys that I crushed on all seemed to have that look going on. Sruggie w/ an IDF uniform, the hottest.
This post sounds like something concoted by Spike Lee, reminds me of jungle fever.
Indeed.
Attractions can be weird, so dudes like women that are 40 years older, others like women 50 lbs heavier. The burka fetish is next…
Or how about the white ankle sock fetish under the Taliban, where they finally banned white ankle socks as being too provocative?
I think that there are definitely people who do like frummies, but it’s just a Jewish version of the “innocent/naive fetish”.
A pretty yeshivish frummy who was ‘discovering what the world had to offer’ once told me, that while he was dating a Mod-Ox girl, he came over one night with Jeans and T-shirt instead of his usual ‘black and white’ gear, and she was not a happy camper.
I think for some, it has something to do with the forbidden fruit appeal or what I would call the Yentyl syndrome (from the 1984 Streisand movie for you youngsters). My wife fell in love with Mandy Patinkin when she saw that movie with me….I can’t stand Steisand…she reminds me of Pelosi.
I agree, there is something mystical about women in long dresses (the unknown and unseen) that makes romance exciting…you always wonder what’s under there. I suspect some women enjoy the same mystery with Frum men……
“I agree, there is something mystical about women in long dresses (the unknown and unseen) that makes romance exciting…you always wonder what’s under there. I suspect some women enjoy the same mystery with Frum men……”
Yeah, it’s too bad the pant wearing contingent of MO doesn’t appreciate this.
“This girl I used to be friends with was into big frummies, you know, those guys who have man boobs, wear black velvet yarmulkes and can eat cholent that’s been left in a crock pot for three days after shabbos, different strokes for different folks, but I have heard many a girl say that tzitzis and black hats turned them on, but if this is the case, could we appeal to the beis din of America to ban black hats because it may lead girls to do evil things in the shower which are not specifically banned because the ladies have no seed to waste.”
so many funny lines in that run-on sentence paragraph.
Do they teach yeshiva guys about oral sex in their pre-wedding classes? How about the women? I have a feeling that if they did, and had lingerie shows for the women, the divorce rate and spouse abuse rate among frum couples would drop to zero. I can just picture some BY girl in her denim skirt bent over the Shabbos table now….
IS there a ‘Like’ function like on FaceBook?
Yankel’s right about the naive/innocent fetish. Women, especially those who have been frolicked by guys who think they’re so cool, love the idea of conquering the hearts and souls (and bodies) of bookish Torish scholars. As for men loving tznius girls, it usually depends on how thin they are and on their naturally sexy “Body” movement. Rosie O’Donnel in a jean sausage doesn’t cut it.
“the idea of conquering the hearts and souls (and bodies) of bookish Torish scholars” — my thoughts exactly!!!! Its not so much the black hat and yarmulke themselves as the idea that someone that religious can be …seduced/tempted/conquered (to borrow your term) …mmmmmmm….great for the ego to feel that irresistible.
…and now I need a cold shower lol
My question is, would a straight up dork do it for you guys as well, or is it more innocent, albeit normal dudes?
Can’t speak for anyone else, but for me personally the initial interest lies in someone who’d constitute a challenge as well as give a boost to my ego. There are two types of men that fit that description: one is the type being described here – someone who is innocent, to use your term, and is therefore viewed as a challenge….cuz its a high to be the one to make someone no longer so innoncent 😉 The other personality type is the typical cocky confident alpha male that always has the interest of several women at any given time and knows his worth. That personality type is a challenge, because what woman wouldn’t want to be the one to stand out from a crowd of swooning groupies and what woman wouldn’t want to be the one to tame and capture the attention of someone who has many vying for their attention… So, having said this, I am not sure that “a straight up dork” is going to fit either description…?
Gracias.
No one, cocky men will just cheat. I stay away. Give me a nerd though, and I will be soo happy.
I’m not really into frummies these days, but there’s definitely something majestic about men who walk around in suits and hats, especially on Friday nights. It kind of makes them look like royalty.
There is a certain amount of artistry that goes into dressing well within the restrictions of tzius; it definitely takes creativity. But on the other hand , trust me on this, pants are soooo much more comfortable. 🙂
Miri, I just checked out your blog. Top-notch, really. Very Funny.
Also you may want to know that clicking on your name here links to spam (a survey); I had to google spoonicus19.
black hats are sooo sexy!!
Hesh… Can you start and E-mail exchange for all these girls going gaga over the frum look?
Id be glad to be of service.
Cold Shower Please! – Ask Hesh if he is up for turning his blog into a Black Hat Escort service. Im ready to fly down there – Wherever a a bushy beard and a pair of Tzitzis is needed – Im available.
You better hope you and your mashgiach don’t end up in the escort enrollment office at the same time.
There’s evidence that cold showers may slightly increase testosterone levels and libido. Counterproductive if you want to keep that stallion in the paddock
DF doesn’t sound like he’s really all THAT committed to keeping the stallion in the paddock, LOL! ;^D
offtheDwannaB:
I’m not sure there’s anything I can do about that; it seems to be a blogspot survey.
You inadvertently switched the g and the o in blogspot, making it blgospot — that’s what prompted the survey. I’ve fixed two of your links.
Good catch Levy!
Sorry, boychik, I scooped you back in march!
http://fortyfrumthing.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-sexy-are-tzitzit.html
Am I hot for frummies? Um, yeah. I daresay this is probably true of many, if not most BT girls. Not sure about curly peyos or huge streimels, but I love the black hat/tzitzis/scraggly beard trifecta…bonus points for glasses too.
I wonder these women get turned on by ZZ Top…
Signed, growing up Reform, I always had a thing for the “religious girls.” My friends in high school used to make fun of me for always going for the “skirts” (that’s what we called them back then). I dated 2 modern orthodox girls in HS (not frum by any standards now that I know a thing or 2) and caught endless shit from my buddies but I didn’t care. Now as a BT, its 10x the attraction.
I love girls who dress tznius, the longer the skirt, the more to imagine. Plus, tichels are hot. Sheitels are better than what most girls can do with their own hair. I’m here to steal your Jewish women away
Shaygetz,
“tichels are hot”. Tell that to Mendy & Heidi with their $3000 sheitels.
You into burkas and niquabs too?
Yeah, my wife’s pretty hot in a tichel, to the point that most sheitels probably wouldn’t do it as well for her. But she may be an exception.
Then again, it could be just me 😉
Either way it’s awesome you feel that way! :^D
When I was first becoming not religious, but was still semi yeshivish I loved the look of the frum girls from Scharfmanns and the like, and even wondered what I would do when I’m no longer religious and need to be focusing on girls that wore pants…I remember one day like a switch It just clicked that a girl dressed like a real NYC girl was the way to go for me…skirts and uggs no onger cut it. Tho girls in that “uniform” are great for anger sex…cuz theyre the embodiment of what’s wromg with the frum community. Girls dressed all frummy but DTF…
Lots of guys both Muslim and non have a fetish for the half-niqab in particular. At least one Muslim sage held that it is preferable the face go totally uncovered — because the half-niqab (showing only the eyes) is inherently seductive & immodest.
Every few years, you get some (typically Saudi) cleric issuing a ruling that, if women wear the half-niqab, they must uncover only a single eye to discourage eye makeup.
This is gleefully reported in the West, and admittedly it’s nuts. However, those unfamiliar with illicit shopping-mall flirtations Gulf-style may not realize that the source of these fatwas is the proliferation of “modest” looks like these:
http://ilovehishmatheblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/designer-half-niqabs-from-gulf.html
… or, for a special occasion, if you thought SHE had the eye makeup spackled on, try Gulf looks like this:
http://khaleejia.blogspot.com/2008/12/khaleeji-make-up-for-special-events.html
All this goes to show you that every culture has its Hot Chanies, as well as that the amount of actual skin one needs to show to vamp it up is shockingly tiny. A 1 inch by 4.5 inch patch of the face is plenty, LOL. ;^D This is another reason that the saying “true hijab is in the heart” is a wise one.
love the blogs. thanks for sharing what cute girls on the muslim side think…
One of the best covers ever for the New Yorker (that’s for sure)!
I think it’s more than the “naive fetish”. A person’s appearance says something about the way they present themselves, and the tznius look (in women and in men) in theory avoids attracting attention. These days most people dress in ways that say HELLO! NOTICE ME!, more or less loudly, so someone who doesn’t do that can be very refreshing. A good-looking person who seems to be unaware of her/his physical appearance is much hotter than a person who knows and “tries” – because that also points at inner qualities that are very attractive.
I think attraction is more a function of individual taste than it is one style or another. Quite certainly there are those that are attracted to Frum oriented apparel. Likewise, there’s also a population that are attracted to conventional style related apparel where less to the imagination is often perceived as better, as long as you have the body to prove it. If Hershey had simply posted that he likes cute women in skimpy attire, there would have been a group of posters on this blog that would’ve agreed. I would agree however, that the way someone carries himself or herself in whatever they wear has a lot to do with attraction.
It’s funny but when I worked in Shanghai China in the mid-1990s I did not see any Chinese wearing T-shirts and jeans. Most were dressed quite well (even the street sweepers) in that most if not all men, wore collared shirts. Considering the size of their population, it was quite easy to pick out Americans.
OfftheDwannaB and Levy:
Thanks for noticing and fixing the links!!!
Do BY girls wear thongs? I gotta know.
I know some that do, but I suspect they have a foot off the derech for other reasons.
Do frum girls or even married ones shave their holy of holies?
Zub,
Gemara in Gittin says it was the prevalent custom. Apparently, it was considered dangerous for the man if they didn’t.
Shulchan Aruch also mention it being a women’s thing to do, thereby forbidding men from doing the same.
Lastly, in some chassidic sects the customs is for women to shave their heads after marriage, I don’t see why they should leave any hair anywhere else 😉
Yeah but i do it anyway cuz that way it makes the tool appear bigger than 2 inches.
Bone,
So you end up fooling yourself?
LOL, no but it works wonders on the maidlach
Bone,
Now now, a true chassidishe maidel wouldn’t know the difference between a coktail weenie and a torpedo salami 🙂
I was married to a frum girl for an extremely long year. I bought her all kinds of stuff from Fredericks of Hollywood. They probably still have the tags on them. Uptight prudes. No wonder their husbands get it elsewhere. I know 3 frum men personally who go out Saturday nights to “learn”. At least thats what they tell their wives. One of them keeps a couple of BY uniforms in his closet for his girlfriends to wear in case they forget theirs, lol.
There’s the other Izzy impersonator again (AKA Zub)…notice my avatar stays the same. Get a life dude.
thats pathetic. pretending to be someone else on an anonymous blog
Hey im not pretending its my name. i had no idea u had another Izzy here. chill dude!
Izzy #2, Izzy #1 had a crazed person impersonating him for a couple of posts. ;^D This person had accused him of being a secret Catholic named Isabelle and all sorts of other nuttiness, then began posting using his name …. That’s why he was nervous to suddenly see another Izzy here! :^)
The best way to get a totally unique avatar so people can’t impersonate you is to sign up for the Frum Satire forum. Then you can upload a little thumbnail like this one (I just signed in to show you mine!), and if you actually log in it’ll show it.
If you mean those crazy generic little faces though, I have no idea how people get assigned them! When I’m not logged in with my picture like this I always get the same little glaring purple guy!
Someone put up a link at one point and if you put your Email address in it will bring up your picture. That’s how mine comes through.
Guess i need a new screen name then. and how do u get those little pictures?
Oops, looks like I answered about getting pictures above. Take a look up above here, Not Izzy #1. :^)
I have such a thing for facial hair. Ex: Those Lubavitch shluchim types from foreign countries with tight pants and nice shirts and glasses… YUM. The MO tzanchanim with low slung uniform pants and short hair and scruffy faces… YUM.
I learned everything I know from porn. How do BY girls know anything at all?
Calm Kallahs, of course.
What does that mean? I know a couple where the wife left the husband a week after the wedding because he was making her do things that were “horrifying” to her. I’m guessing it was something with the lights on, lol.
LOL, Calm Kallahs is a somewhat suspect website purporting to be by and for frum Jews. Check it out and see how likely it is women are providing most of the content in the intimacy section; if you believe that I have a bridge I’d like to sell you, LOL …. ;^D
I think p0rn should be a mandatory part of kallah classes (at least soft p0rn) 🙂 Otherwise, you get horror stories about ignorant kallah teachers or either the bride or groom finding out some nasty surprises after they’ve just blown $50,000 of their parents money on a lavish wedding.
Yeah you’re right. Even way after the wedding. I know someone who goes on Craigslist to find hookups just for oral sex cuz his BY wife wont event touch him in his “privates” as she calls it. Frum women need to learn what non-frum women know, how to be a lady in the street and a whore in the bedroom.
Bone,
Amen! We should put you in charge of the kallah program, I guarantee you’d end the rising divorce rate among frummies.
as a general rule, this is not stuff that is hard to figure out, given enough time, patience, and a comfortable setting. trusting one’s instincts is a good way to go – your body knows what to do. at least, this is true for girls. i can see how it’s less instinctive for guys.
Probelm is that when you get frummer than though type kallah teachers while the groom has been watching p0rn, both sides will have different ideas and expectations if the haven’t had any prior experience. And while most probably get over it after a while and figure out what to do, some may end up freaked out for too long for it to work out.
can my wife give me a blow job??
If you manage to stop before you finish. Even a drop outside where it belongs is forbidden.
You on her is more of a no-no.
A couple of months ago I messed around with a BY girl. She was crazy as a young girl but is now back in bias yaakov; I guess she still has needs! We used to do it in the back seat of my car, and let me tell you, she’s a lot better than the non-BY girls I’ve boned. And yes, she was totally shaved, and she did not wear a thong. She wore a skirt with leggings the first few times and then just dropped the leggings and went with a short skirt. So hot!
I would like to meet this girl. I like frum girls but have no clue how to make that happen ben? tell more of the story
i think everyones hot for frummies. especially those yeshiva guys