The frummies I know go crazy during the nine days because they can’t eat meat, by crazy I mean, they bitch and moan and call around to try and hit up as many siyums as possible. I myself always think that its only nine days, what on earth is the big deal?
I admit I miss my daily dose of Carlos and Gabbys and the near death experience of Subsational, but 9 days without meat is really not such a big deal. If we are talking about 9 days in the summer without showering that’s something else – but who on earth actually goes without showering?
The music thing is so yesterday with AKA pella, beat boxing and non-live music heterim and swimming isn’t an everyday thing, I actually jumped in a lake yesterday as my shower (I didn’t swim, I just washed off all the mud on me)
But meat seems to be that one thing that people can’t get over, frummies can’t go 9 days without it, mostly because frum men love meat. I myself could eat steak for breakfast, I don’t because I’m poor – but I could, but 9 days without meat is nothing. Besides you get your meat on shabbos.
bad paragraph combo. “frum men love meat”, and “Besides you get your meat on shabbos”, is there some subtle meaning to that?!:-)
Well, gotta complain about something.. its actually not 9 full days with at least one shabbos in there anyway. I often go longer without mean because I live in the sticks.
Right on Hesh… As for that last sentence, what’s wrong with it? Only until the last sentence does the truth finally tell that it’s not really nine days without meat…
Besides, vegetarians are probably rejoicing over the lack of consumed meat, not to mention the suffering over it…
Its a big deal because you can’t eat it. I am sure most of us have gone 9 days without meat before (really 7 of 9 because of shabbat), but because we can’t we want it more.
That picture made me so hungry.
Meat is a symbol, unfortunately. I’m more irked about the whole shower thing.
It’s the 9 days??
Maybe the frummies can start a PR campaign about how the lack of meat consumed by orthodox Jews in the nine days is helping the environment.
“(1.)Well, gotta complain about something.. (2.)its actually not 9 full days(3.) with at least one shabbos in there anyway. I often go longer without (4.)mean because I live in the sticks.”-Sergeant J
1.Sentence fragment 2.Not starting a sentence with a capitol.3.No comma or parenthesis4.Do you mean mean or do you mean meat?
And your telling me MY grammar/spelling is off.What a joke!But that’s OK ,your probably just jealous that I don’t have to be someone’s bitch anymore.
Sergeant J
I want to ask you forgiveness.I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings or verbally harass you.My last comment was motivated by revenge and for that I am truly sorry.Noone is a spelling guru,especially I college drop out who decided to rebel againt his chareidi father and join the Air Force
No meat during 9 days? It can’t be more difficult than working on a fast day.
Hesh did your really have to post a picture of a juicy pink medium done steak.That just plain torture, have a little mercy man.
I met a girl who did something similar, she was born to a Chassidish family and is now in the USAF…
Sergeant J
That’s quit interesting.What sect was she from?
I agree. The 9 days isn’t too bad. This year, it’s actually making me consider going full out vegetarian, for no other reason than the price of Glatt Kosher meat is so friggin expensive.
And honestly, I don’t know anyone who does the no shower deal. That’s just not do-able in the middle of July!
is it just frum men or all men? My (not jewish) husband can’t seem to go a day without meat either.
I’m starving too – but I’ll take anything that’s free
go vegetarian!!!!!! it is environmentally friendly, cruelty free, good for your health, and kashrut is easy.
abandoning eden,
It must be a reaction to Meatless Fridays.
ITA, I always wonder who’s eating meat every single day. not anybody I know.
I suppose yeshiva guys love their meat because they’ve been drilled “Me sheochlim basar marbe besimcha” or something like that.
Eat more fish and eggs, you won’t miss the meat much.
I know some people that don’t shower for 9 days, possibly more. They just hop into the mikvah every morning, probably come out dirtier than before as they aren’t the only ones. I’m sure it must look like a toxic waste dump these days.
Who wants real meat in this weather anyway? it’s to heavy and makes everyone feel sluggish.
I just came back from a music festival where there were Israelis selling kosher vegetarian food in preparation for the fast. How cool is that? They were my heros!
dassi, you suck. meat is delicious.
Jelen,
Seems like the Oprah followers / frum wing of peta are back again. You know those self righteous people that think they are kinder than God who allowed us to eat meat, smarter than the rabbis who said they is no simcha without it.
That is why it’s forbidden during mourning periods.
To follow up on Dassi’s comment, the Jewish Vegetarians of North America organization is headed by an Orthodox Jew.
http://jewishveg.com/
He makes the case that for various reasons, going veggie should be halachically required. Personally I think for health reasons alone at least near-vegetarianism should be halachically required, since there’s rock solid evidence that it will increase your life expectancy by years.
I think the whole “Gotta eat meat at a Simcha” thing is a little outdated. Back in the day, the average person could only afford to eat meat every so often. And when he/she did, it was usually something small, like chicken. Today, most of us can afford eat beef at least once a week on Shabat.
BTW, Eretz Yisrael is referred to as “Eretz zvat Chalav UDvash” not “Eretz zvat Basar UDvash”. 🙂
BTW, I’m omnivorous.
I love the nine days. My secret–a Moosewood cookbook.
B”H
HA HA. Those of us hold only to the Shavu’a she’hal bo got an few days. When Tish b’Av falls on Sunday, no worries what so ever!
Of course, being one the poor Americans {yes, there are such things}, who can afford meat except for Shabbath anyway?
Jewishveg is total BS. I suppose they imagine that the korbanos in the 3rd temple will be lettuce and tomato too.
What was the korban Pesach, a veggie burger?
Why does the Torah bother telling us which animals are kosher and which aren’t?
Why do laws of shechita, salting and basar be chalav exist?
Why are they a pre-requisite to getting smicha?
Anybody that doesn’t like meat is free to go to the fruit store. But to try and twist the Torah and make others believe that eating meat is wrong, is just plain sick.
I find them more annoying than peta, as they should know better from reading the Torah.
As for hunting, it is completely permissible if one is going to keep the meat or skin of animal to use it for any reason. So yes, killing a bear for a rug, a moose for it’s head, or a baby seal for it’s fur is totally acceptable, just as is killing an apple by taking it off the tree and eating it.
There are people who don’t shower for the whole nine days (for religious reasons, not ’cause they’re camping, or something)? Do they take off of work then, too? If not, I feel sorry for their coworkers.
Phil, I can’t speak for them, but they’re not saying eating meat per se is necessarily wrong. They’re saying that given a number of factors — animal welfare, contemporary farming practices, health, environment, etc. — there is a good halachic case for not eating meat today.
As to why the laws exists, well, some commenters have noted that the effect of all of them is to make it very difficult and complicated to eat meat. And the Torah says, all the plants are for you to eat, and then you can eat meat to after your desires — it’s a concession to people’s desires.
Rav Kook was a vegetarian, and even said that when the Temple is restored, only the vegetable sacrifices will occur. As discussed (I think) on asimplejew, some have argued that the way this can be reconciled with the traditional view that all the sacrifices will be restored, is that in the initial stage, all the sacrifices will occur, but later, as the messianic age progresses, only the vegetable ones will be used.
See The Vision of Eden: Animal Welfare and Vegetarianism in Jewish Law and Mysticism
David Sears (well-known Breslever rabbi).
http://jewishveg.com/DSindex.html
http://jewishveg.com/torah.html
(Shabbos aside) Nine days of pizza and ice cream! No changing drainboards! Never being fleishig!
Sure I love a good steak or BBQ, but no meat for a few days? What is there to complain about?
Anon,
The theory of making laws of shechita complicated in order for us not to eat meat doesn’t stand ground for the following reasons:
1) Eating fish is killing, yet no requirements are placed on fish. Same goes for grasshoppers.
2) The korbanot were mainly meat, and had nothing to do with ones desires on being concessions. The donors ate some, kohanim ate others.
3) The agricultural laws of maaser, terumah, bikkurim, omer, orlah, tevel, etc. are just as complicated as the laws of shechita. We just don’t see them today because most aren’t in effect and none outside Israel.
As for Rav Kook non eating meat, he was only 1 rav, definitely a minority among the tzadikim, most of whom were known meat eaters. As for his theory on only vegtable korbanos, he is in disagreement with most other opinions as well.
Personally, I can’t picture a salad for korban Pesach or using paprika instead of the parah adumah.
All this talk of BBQ is making me hungry.
Have an easy fast.